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Asked by duncanb7
at 2024-07-13 08:10:34
Point:500 Replies:23 POST_ID:828588USER_ID:11059
Topic:
Network Routers;Networking Hardware;Network Operations
Recently, I am taking tutorial of network class and there are a lot of network concept
i am getting confused, so I try to start to understand my home PC and network to solve my network concept problem.
At home, I get two PC with one at window 7 and the other at Window XP which is connected to one device we call ADSL something like the photo I include at web link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adsl_connections.jpg
When I go to broadband internet, I log into window 7 or PPPoE connection utility or
software with my login and password that is provided by my ISP company
After connection, I try ipconfig on cmd.exe,and I got the following message
PPP adaptor:
Ipv4 IP 219.77.x.x
subnet mask: 255.255.2555.2555
default gateway:0.0.0.0
I am using auto configuration mode for the connection setup for external IP and internet .
The question:
1- the device of ADSL means that is router plus modem, Right ?
2- router means network switches like the 4 ports in the photo attached, Right ?
3- DefaultGateway or Gateway for my case that is refered to the my ADSL router, RIght
4- Why the default gateway is 0.0.0.0 ?
5- I google default gateway 0.0.0.0, and found one article how to delete 0.0.0.0 default gateway (http://www.shayanderson.com/microsoft-windows/windows-7-fix-0-0-0-0-default-gateway-issue.htm) but it doesn't work, but 0.0.0.0 is still there,why?
6- I also tried to use the command
netsp int ip reset c: esetlog.txt & netsp winsock reset c:winsock.log and reset the computer and logging again, but 0.0.0.0 is still there and not deleted, why ?
Hope you write more like for teaching student in a class for those questions
Please advise
Duncan
i am getting confused, so I try to start to understand my home PC and network to solve my network concept problem.
At home, I get two PC with one at window 7 and the other at Window XP which is connected to one device we call ADSL something like the photo I include at web link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adsl_connections.jpg
When I go to broadband internet, I log into window 7 or PPPoE connection utility or
software with my login and password that is provided by my ISP company
After connection, I try ipconfig on cmd.exe,and I got the following message
PPP adaptor:
Ipv4 IP 219.77.x.x
subnet mask: 255.255.2555.2555
default gateway:0.0.0.0
I am using auto configuration mode for the connection setup for external IP and internet .
The question:
1- the device of ADSL means that is router plus modem, Right ?
2- router means network switches like the 4 ports in the photo attached, Right ?
3- DefaultGateway or Gateway for my case that is refered to the my ADSL router, RIght
4- Why the default gateway is 0.0.0.0 ?
5- I google default gateway 0.0.0.0, and found one article how to delete 0.0.0.0 default gateway (http://www.shayanderson.com/microsoft-windows/windows-7-fix-0-0-0-0-default-gateway-issue.htm) but it doesn't work, but 0.0.0.0 is still there,why?
6- I also tried to use the command
netsp int ip reset c: esetlog.txt & netsp winsock reset c:winsock.log and reset the computer and logging again, but 0.0.0.0 is still there and not deleted, why ?
Hope you write more like for teaching student in a class for those questions
Please advise
Duncan
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 10:04:42
thank for all of your reply, this will continue in the new thread
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 09:39:52
hub act as layer1, switch acts as layer2, router act as layer3 of OSI
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 09:37:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reXS_e3fTAk
for router, switch, hub definition
it seems the ADSL device that is router, modem, switch together
for router, switch, hub definition
it seems the ADSL device that is router, modem, switch together
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:57:02
50 points GOOD
You have nothing to worry about if you are able to get on the internet.
Going back to your question
0.0.0.0 in network statements for routing just means send everything that has no specified instructions to the gateway.
I'm using non-technical terms for simplicity.
Open command prompt and type
"route print"
then press "enter"
You will see router statements. The 1st address at the top shows 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 the IP address that follows is the gateway for that computer. It could be a public address or private depending on if you are using public or private addresses internally
Going back to your question
0.0.0.0 in network statements for routing just means send everything that has no specified instructions to the gateway.
I'm using non-technical terms for simplicity.
Open command prompt and type
"route print"
then press "enter"
You will see router statements. The 1st address at the top shows 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 the IP address that follows is the gateway for that computer. It could be a public address or private depending on if you are using public or private addresses internally
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:56:49
I mean no use PPPoE to ISP connection, using other manual connection, Is it possible ?
like the article link above
like the article link above
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:55:16
COuld I not use auto configuration for the connection and still connected to internet
I mean don't use PPPOE connection, and I set those setting by manual like the article
in the link ?
http://windows7themes.net/how-to-enable-dhcp-in-windows-7.html
Actually, I am not worrying anything becoz my connectivity to www is no issue at all,
Just want go to deep in the network technology and concept for this thread
I mean don't use PPPOE connection, and I set those setting by manual like the article
in the link ?
http://windows7themes.net/how-to-enable-dhcp-in-windows-7.html
Actually, I am not worrying anything becoz my connectivity to www is no issue at all,
Just want go to deep in the network technology and concept for this thread
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Expert: Patricksr1972 replied at 2024-07-13 08:48:21
50 points GOOD
Your modem handles DHCP (giving private ip numbers to your internal network), so dont worry about that setting being NO, it just means the device you use to make the PPPoE connection is not configured as a DHCP server, no problem.
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:46:16
50 points GOOD
open command prompt and type
ipconfig /all
Private addresses eg 192.168.1.1 are not allowed on the internet. They are not routable and are dropped by ISPs. Don't pay too much attention to this to avoid confusion. Private addresses need NAT to translate them to public IP Addresses.
Consider a building for example with a lot of rooms.
eg Room A, Room B, Room C etc.
Many buildings may have the same Room number normenclature in them. You can not send a letter to Room A. Post office does not know where to send it.
Room A, B and C are private addresses
Your public address would be the address of the house, eg 555 Heaven Street, Paradise City, Universe
ipconfig /all
Private addresses eg 192.168.1.1 are not allowed on the internet. They are not routable and are dropped by ISPs. Don't pay too much attention to this to avoid confusion. Private addresses need NAT to translate them to public IP Addresses.
Consider a building for example with a lot of rooms.
eg Room A, Room B, Room C etc.
Many buildings may have the same Room number normenclature in them. You can not send a letter to Room A. Post office does not know where to send it.
Room A, B and C are private addresses
Your public address would be the address of the house, eg 555 Heaven Street, Paradise City, Universe
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:45:08
Yes understood the term of gateway
the ADSL device is gateway to ISP
ISP gateway is gateway to internet
Anyway,
how to enable DHCP or let it "yes" ? So I can get back default gateway setting
the ADSL device is gateway to ISP
ISP gateway is gateway to internet
Anyway,
how to enable DHCP or let it "yes" ? So I can get back default gateway setting
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Expert: Patricksr1972 replied at 2024-07-13 08:40:10
50 points GOOD
Hello again,
No, please see the gateway as a mean to connect to the internet.
Since you are directly connected you do not have a gateway YOU ARE the gateway.
If your modem is logged on to your ISP it gets an public ip and probably 2 DNS servers assigned, thats it.
When you connect to the internet (through your modem) then you are using the modem as a gateway. (remember, it is a mean to go to the internet)
Same with larger networks, they probably have multipl connections to the internet so possibly mulitple gateways.
No, please see the gateway as a mean to connect to the internet.
Since you are directly connected you do not have a gateway YOU ARE the gateway.
If your modem is logged on to your ISP it gets an public ip and probably 2 DNS servers assigned, thats it.
When you connect to the internet (through your modem) then you are using the modem as a gateway. (remember, it is a mean to go to the internet)
Same with larger networks, they probably have multipl connections to the internet so possibly mulitple gateways.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:38:26
Dear AKinsd,
Public address mean 203.218.x.x. that is internet IP address, Right ?
my ADSL router is gateway, Right ?
There is no private IP address for my case, I just get etherent IPv4 Ip address, only
So what you mean for private IP address, please write it in techincally
Public address mean 203.218.x.x. that is internet IP address, Right ?
my ADSL router is gateway, Right ?
There is no private IP address for my case, I just get etherent IPv4 Ip address, only
So what you mean for private IP address, please write it in techincally
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:38:20
50 points GOOD
Your ISP is your gateway to the internet
Your router is your gateway to your ISP.
It's like going through your front door and through your main gate to the street.
Your router is your gateway to your ISP.
It's like going through your front door and through your main gate to the street.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:35:01
Dear Patricksr1972,
You mean, actually, there is no default gateway for my case since I am using PPPoE
connection(point to point). THe gateway is ISP itself. SO users of ISP just need
directly connect to its gateway throught the modem at my home with login and password
that it is.
The default gateway is descibe the internal LAN larger network like it at Univeristy,
something like that
IS it right ?
You mean, actually, there is no default gateway for my case since I am using PPPoE
connection(point to point). THe gateway is ISP itself. SO users of ISP just need
directly connect to its gateway throught the modem at my home with login and password
that it is.
The default gateway is descibe the internal LAN larger network like it at Univeristy,
something like that
IS it right ?
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:33:57
50 points GOOD
Nothing to worry about then. Just ignore the 0s
That means the public address is your gateway.
On your computer, do a show ipconfig /all
That will give you your private ip address and your router will be your gateway.
That means the public address is your gateway.
On your computer, do a show ipconfig /all
That will give you your private ip address and your router will be your gateway.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:31:30
SO far, be reminded,I can go to any website like yahoo.com or google.com so
my internet connectivity is no issue even I got 0.0.0.0 default gateway
my internet connectivity is no issue even I got 0.0.0.0 default gateway
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:30:12
but how to set DHCP to yes, everything is done by auto configuration besides
typing my login and password to log into internet
typing my login and password to log into internet
Accepted Solution
Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:27:55
50 points GOOD
No
You need to set DHCP to YES.
That is the reason you're getting the 0.0.0.0.
It's not sending a request (ARP) out to your ISP.
You need to set DHCP to YES.
That is the reason you're getting the 0.0.0.0.
It's not sending a request (ARP) out to your ISP.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:26:58
PPP adaptor:
DHCP enable : NO
Ipv4 IP 219.77.x.x
subnet mask: 255.255.2555.2555
default gateway:0.0.0.0
sorry mssing one information for DHCP enable that is set NO that is meaning
my IP address is dynamic setting by my ISP company, RIght ?
DHCP enable : NO
Ipv4 IP 219.77.x.x
subnet mask: 255.255.2555.2555
default gateway:0.0.0.0
sorry mssing one information for DHCP enable that is set NO that is meaning
my IP address is dynamic setting by my ISP company, RIght ?
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:26:40
50 points GOOD
DSL is just the term for the type of service you have.
Replace DSL with "Fast Speed Internet".
It will sound odd to look at your router and say that is my fast speed internet.
Similar to looking at your cooler and saying, that is my fountain water. You can put any type of water or juice in your cooler. The content does not change what your cooler is.
Replace DSL with "Fast Speed Internet".
It will sound odd to look at your router and say that is my fast speed internet.
Similar to looking at your cooler and saying, that is my fountain water. You can put any type of water or juice in your cooler. The content does not change what your cooler is.
Expert: Ernie Beek replied at 2024-07-13 08:26:24
Obfuscated public IP's. Thx Patrick :)
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-07-13 08:21:42
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_%28computing%29
So the device I have at home that is a router including modem , RIght ?
OR that is not modem that is DSL deivce we say , RIght ?
So the device is router plus DSL
So the device I have at home that is a router including modem , RIght ?
OR that is not modem that is DSL deivce we say , RIght ?
So the device is router plus DSL
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Expert: Patricksr1972 replied at 2024-07-13 08:21:21
50 points GOOD
Hi mister Hong Kong :)
You show us: Ipv4 IP 219.77.xxx.xxx ( i obfuscate so we do not see your public ip)
default gateway:0.0.0.0
This means the connection to your provider, it does not need a gateway because IT IS the gateway.
1- the device of ADSL means that is router plus modem, Right ?
Yes thats right
2- router means network switches like the 4 ports in the photo attached, Right ?
It surely looks like a router but could also be an Access Point.
3- DefaultGateway or Gateway for my case that is refered to the my ADSL router, RIght
Default Gateway is the (internal)ipnumber of the device that connects to your provider
4- Why the default gateway is 0.0.0.0 ?
Because there is non.
Hope this helps
You show us: Ipv4 IP 219.77.xxx.xxx ( i obfuscate so we do not see your public ip)
default gateway:0.0.0.0
This means the connection to your provider, it does not need a gateway because IT IS the gateway.
1- the device of ADSL means that is router plus modem, Right ?
Yes thats right
2- router means network switches like the 4 ports in the photo attached, Right ?
It surely looks like a router but could also be an Access Point.
3- DefaultGateway or Gateway for my case that is refered to the my ADSL router, RIght
Default Gateway is the (internal)ipnumber of the device that connects to your provider
4- Why the default gateway is 0.0.0.0 ?
Because there is non.
Hope this helps
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Expert: Akinsd replied at 2024-07-13 08:16:08
50 points GOOD
Asymmetric digital subscriber line (ADSL) is a type of digital subscriber line (DSL) technology, a data communications technology that enables faster data ...
Router is not a Switch. A switch switches packets
A Router routes packets
Default gateway is like the main door of a house.
To go out of the house, you need to go through the main door, otherwise, you'll just be going from one room to another
Your public gateway is the IP Address of your ISP that your network is assigned to. Usually this is populated by their DHCP server. If you're getting 0.0.0.0, you may need to contact your ISP for resolution. Maybe reset your modem.
The netsh command only resets the NIC interface on the computer you ran it on. The issue you're having seem to be on your modem. Most modems have a reset button that you can poke a pin to and hold for about 10 seconds.
Router is not a Switch. A switch switches packets
A Router routes packets
Default gateway is like the main door of a house.
To go out of the house, you need to go through the main door, otherwise, you'll just be going from one room to another
Your public gateway is the IP Address of your ISP that your network is assigned to. Usually this is populated by their DHCP server. If you're getting 0.0.0.0, you may need to contact your ISP for resolution. Maybe reset your modem.
The netsh command only resets the NIC interface on the computer you ran it on. The issue you're having seem to be on your modem. Most modems have a reset button that you can poke a pin to and hold for about 10 seconds.